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Post by Hilds on Nov 9, 2004 12:10:49 GMT -5
We have a home game this Sunday Vs Blue Flag (played them a few weeks ago).
We will be at home (Prince Georges) and will have a 10.30am kick off. Our referee will be John Wilkins. Bill- his contact number is in the League Directory, which should be in the folder. If you don't have this let me know and I'll get you one.
Please ensure there is a minutes silence this Sunday before the game for Rememberance Sunday. The referee will probably remind you, but if he forgets will someone kindly bring this up.
Everyone in the O'Neills squad is registered and has a card, so card checks MUST happen weekly. Preferably before the game.
Respond to this thread with your availability asap. I am not intending to do many text messages from now on as most players can either view the site or will be able to get the details from either Bill or myself at training. Anyone who doesn't find out from either of these mediums will receive a text message.
Good Luck Sunday. We won our last League Game, lets continue the form we are now showing.
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Post by Hilds on Nov 9, 2004 12:13:54 GMT -5
Player Availability:
Adam: CONFIRMED Ash: Aubs: CONFIRMED Carl: CONFIRMED Bill: CONFIRMED Chris: CONFIRMED Dan: CONFIRMED Jim: CONFIRMED Guy: CONFIRMED Ian: CONFIRMED Marshall: CONFIRMED Oxer: CONFIRMED Colin: CONFIRMED Pat: CONFIRMED Taff: CONFIRMED (may be injured) Wallis: CONFIRMED Laing: CONFIRMED
Not Available.
Mark: AWAY FOR WEEKEND Rehan: FAMILY COMMITMENTS
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Post by management1 on Nov 10, 2004 12:33:05 GMT -5
Player Availability: Adam: Ash: Aubs: Carl: Bill: confirmed Chris: Dan: Jim: Guy: Ian: Mark: Marshall: Oxer: Colin: Pat: Rehan: Taff: Wallis: Laing:
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Post by monkeylegs on Nov 11, 2004 3:53:55 GMT -5
I will be playing
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Post by monkeylegs on Nov 11, 2004 3:54:59 GMT -5
It's Aubrey by the way
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Post by Darryl,please marry me....Taff on Nov 11, 2004 10:16:42 GMT -5
yes,help me please
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Post by Hilds on Nov 11, 2004 14:55:58 GMT -5
I dont understand Jimbob, help you with what? Help you see your toes by holding a mirror at a convienient angle?
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Post by monkeylegs on Nov 12, 2004 7:01:13 GMT -5
Call me 'Dangerous' but i've been stewing over the up and coming match this weekend and i believe that we should adopt a 3-4-3 formation against the shite that is Blue Flag. When we played them last they some what fortuitously beat us from a couple of fuck ups at the back and sloppy finishing up front (ahem!!). So far this season we've either leaked in goals that have come directly over the top or through major fuck ups. I think with the versatility of our defenders (Marshall, Oxer, Ian and Rihan) three would be enough as they can shore up the channels aswell as the centre part of the pitch. This weekend, for the first time, we will have our strongest defence yet. Blue Flag's defence was pretty immobile so if we swarm them further up the pitch they won't have a chance. We have copious amounts of midfielders to choose from and all can do a job. We have the license then to put one behind the front two who can feed not only the strikers, but also our wingers. So far this season we haven't used the wingers to their full capacity and we know the quality that we have at our dispense is lethal. I ain't getting on no plane you crazy fool!
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Post by Hilds on Nov 12, 2004 7:34:56 GMT -5
Call me 'Dangerous' but i've been stewing over the up and coming match this weekend and i believe that we should adopt a 3-4-3 formation against the shite that is Blue Flag. When we played them last they some what fortuitously beat us from a couple of fuck ups at the back and sloppy finishing up front (ahem!!). So far this season we've either leaked in goals that have come directly over the top or through major fuck ups. I think with the versatility of our defenders (Marshall, Oxer, Ian and Rihan) three would be enough as they can shore up the channels aswell as the centre part of the pitch. This weekend, for the first time, we will have our strongest defence yet. Blue Flag's defence was pretty immobile so if we swarm them further up the pitch they won't have a chance. We have copious amounts of midfielders to choose from and all can do a job. We have the license then to put one behind the front two who can feed not only the strikers, but also our wingers. So far this season we haven't used the wingers to their full capacity and we know the quality that we have at our dispense is lethal. I ain't getting on no plane you crazy fool! Your not thinking of moving away from 4-4-2 are you??? But what if the world ends? What if your formation is what finally calls the dark lord to prominence? Seriously tho, the players we have are very inflexible and 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) is the only way we can play. The ideal formation for O'Neills is wingbacks as we don't have the intelligence in the team to utilise the wingers and play the wide open space that is invariably in front of them. We did it for a game, won 7-1, lost the following week (when we had several players out) and the same old players started calling for 4-4-2 saying that all they want to do is score goals. Nearly every Sunday league team picks their team this way... * Who are our best defenders? Right, they go centre back. * Who are our best midfielders? They go centre mid. * Who are our greediest players? They go on the wings. * Who has the hardest shot, or can dribble round a player? They go up front. * Who's left? They go full back. Look at our line ups, and the ones I picked. There are some exceptions, but generally this is how it's done. The idea is to pick a line up that counteracts the usual. We play 4-4-2 and we gain no advantage. We play 3-2-3-2 and we gain a slight advantage. They have 2 strikers, we have 3 centre backs to cover them. They have 2 centre midfirelder, we have 3 to cover them. It means more work for the wingbacks, but as most teams don't use their wingers or full backs properly it shouldn't be a problem for them. The players we have are afraid of change. 4-4-2 is the only way to go with most of them. (Guess which formation I am planning to play at Mitcham...) When I tried to do something that would improve the club is was either mocked, or the players had decided it wouldn't work before the game had started (the "Darryl is fucking about with the formation again" effect).
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Post by Hilds on Nov 12, 2004 7:46:35 GMT -5
Just thought of this...
If we play 3 at the back it need to be our best 3. Now can we trust them to play their positions or even turn up? We have several players who either turn up very late or just don't turn up on a regular basis. Thats another reason why we either need to play our back ups more often, or find away to get the unreliable players up in the morning and down to the ground.
Lets be honest, we can rely on certain players (hell Aubs, you come from Balham and make it on time) but not on others. There for we know you will be there when you say you will (baring an emergancy) but there are several we have no clue about until 9.30 Sunday morning. It's hard to think about tactic until you know who will be there! (Experience talking now, and I'm sure Bill will agree with this opinion)
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Post by monkeylegs on Nov 12, 2004 9:21:44 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from but i've put forward this option on the basis of our last result against them. I'm trying think tactically here. At training it was as clear as day that we've got a squad of 1500 midfielders, couple of strikers and four defenders. The last time we played them we lost the game, they didn't win it. For this game we are going to be full strength so why not logically go out there and try and thump them. We are to scared to take risks but a 5-3-2 with wing backs isn't a risk. I'm talking about just three at the back, 2 infront in the midfield. 2 wingers with the option of tracking back. Well it's about not being selfish but the main perogative is attack. Then with a creative player just behind the front two who knows what damage we could cause. I'm quite happy to sit infront of the defence and run around like a headless chicken to protect them but this gives the others the license to stream forward. For Sundays game we have got our three strongest defenders who all have pace and aren't afraid to stick in a challenge. I was thinking of starting with this formation and if we are looking shaky then of course revert back to the 4-4-2 but it's worth starting the game with all guns blazing. Guy and Pat only need a sniff of goal and they need people to provide them with the chances. Our problem is constantly playing midfielders at full back positions when they are clearly uncomfortable there. Obviously not on the same level but it's like sticking Giggs at left back or Ljunberg at right back. Just because they have loads of abilty they are just not defenders.
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Post by Hilds on Nov 12, 2004 9:38:06 GMT -5
I understand your point, and TBH I was always happy to try new things formation wise, the problem is convincing the rest of the squad. I agree that your formation should work, but I see a few problems...
One of our strongest back 3 continually strolls into midfield, leaving (in your formation) a back 2.
Our wingers will be wasted. How many time in the last 2 seasons have we played the ball in front of the wingers for them to run onto, and they have produced a cross at the end of it? Not often.
Mark is away this Sunday, which gives us no arial ability. Leaves us no reasons to play wingers.
Still on wingers... If you tell them they are wingers, not wingbacks they will stay camped up front, as will the two centre midfielders if you are behind them.
I'm on your side, but we both know the attitude of the players. Do you really think they will play the way you intend them to? I'm pretty certain they won't...
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Post by management1 on Nov 12, 2004 17:04:43 GMT -5
Nie to see passions running so high, just a thought as the elected manager any chance i can have a little say in what formation/tatics we might try on sunday? As a matter of interest who are the best three defenders mentioned? You talk about midfielders playing out of position to be homest some people don't actually know their best position they think they are something they are not, but are playing well where they are put. just a little insight to my thinking for sunday 4-5-1 was a possible option for the start but i'll save it for sunday. 8-)management1
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Post by Hilds on Nov 12, 2004 18:20:13 GMT -5
Nie to see passions running so high, just a thought as the elected manager any chance i can have a little say in what formation/tatics we might try on sunday? As a matter of interest who are the best three defenders mentioned? You talk about midfielders playing out of position to be homest some people don't actually know their best position they think they are something they are not, but are playing well where they are put. just a little insight to my thinking for sunday 4-5-1 was a possible option for the start but i'll save it for sunday. 8-)management1 Not a case of passions running high or a case of Aubs and me picking the team for you, just th etwo of us bouncing ideas and theorys. If you had been on you could have contributed to the discussion, you still can. Aubs had an idea for a formation and posted it, I posted my feelings on that formation, you are welcome to post yours, being manager or not doesn't come into it. The names of the best 3 defenders (or my opinion of who are the best 3 defenders) isn't the issue. It's personal choice, and if I state names it will only serve to disappoint (and by disappoint I mean cause them to whinge at me) those that aren't named. Having said that you would be in the side, but further forward... 4-5-1 would be interesting. With the weath of midfielders we have it should be good to have 5 in midfield. This may be Adams comeback game...
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stev
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Post by stev on Nov 12, 2004 22:44:44 GMT -5
As someone who has not been around for every game please tell me if I am speaking out of place... having been there however however for every preseason game mind...
In training for me, spotting the players who really want it (i.e. in my basic terms means determination) is bloody obvious.
I think every one of us could pick our own choice of 3 or 4 match winners and if so, prob 90% of us would come up with the same few players so we are not mugs. At the end the day boys it is Sunday League football, no disrespect but in training on Thursday it was all plain to see what our strength was: Attack.
Totally going with the attack policy that a few of the others seem to be recommending, Guy & Pat have the touch at the mo and lets be honest, a strikeforce of Gut, Pat and the cocknose himself..(yes he's me's my best mate... but holding midfielder...??!!??) Carlos will surely link up with sort of stuff Johan Cryuff only dreamed about (a tad OTT i'll admit!!).
You boys must see what is missing recently, admittedly I've not been around much recently to witness myself (been to busy watching United fire blanks at Old Trafford), but seeing the standard in training on Thursday, no probs if we get a bit organisation and fitness.
Being a total know-it-all, as I am... my only beef is that subs and in-game decisions should not be decided by someone who knows f##k all about tactics.
In the current state of play I'm sure everyone would prefaer match-making decisions when made by: Team manager Captain Goalkeeper
Who, currently occupied by current the personel are pretty clued up individuals.
My basic point is that lets all talk a bit more on the pitch and off it.
In all honesty training last Thursday I really enjoyed as it seemed alot more competitive than previous nights... somethingwe need to install into ourselves on matchday starting this Sunday.
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