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Post by monkeylegs on Nov 15, 2004 9:09:55 GMT -5
I was just wondering if the team discussion in the pub on Sunday resulted in any mass brawls? I left just as there was a new twist in the saga as Bill revealed that he WOULD stick with the job. I think this is good news but things like this can't happen again. We are all grown men but yesterday we acted like children. I've played for many clubs and i've always lived by the rules and tactics of the boss. I've seen many players who have been sub or subtitued, included myself and that sort of shit never happened. But what is happening at this club is ridiculous. The manager has the power and he runs the club. Steve's problem is that he has to seperate two parts of his life that are important to him but unfortunately they both clash. As we are all mates and Steve is one of them we should respect his decisions and give him full support. If any of us aren't featuring in the team then it is down to us try and prove to him that we are good enough to feature. If we feel that he is being unfair about something or we just don't agree with a decision he has made then chat on a 1 to 1 basis. Unfortunately, and Steve will second this, he's had to make changes that he necessarily didn't want to make and i believe, apart from errors aside, have cost us the game. As Jim mentioned earlier there is far too much bitching in the club and it is showing on the pitch as our results have been shite. We played really well and didn't deserve to loose against Blue Flag. All we need is confidence as our moral is low at the moment and once we pick up a good win against a decent side then the ball will start rolling and we can push up the league. What do you guys think about how we played? I personally think the 4-5-1 formation worked as Chris benefitted from this and was our most creative player. We should have been at least 3-0 up at half time. I've heard that Macho Man Randy Savage was gay! Well is gay!
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Post by Hilds on Nov 15, 2004 10:31:12 GMT -5
I was just wondering if the team discussion in the pub on Sunday resulted in any mass brawls? I left just as there was a new twist in the saga as Bill revealed that he WOULD stick with the job. I think this is good news but things like this can't happen again. We are all grown men but yesterday we acted like children. I've played for many clubs and i've always lived by the rules and tactics of the boss. I've seen many players who have been sub or subtitued, included myself and that sort of shit never happened. But what is happening at this club is ridiculous. The manager has the power and he runs the club. Steve's problem is that he has to seperate two parts of his life that are important to him but unfortunately they both clash. As we are all mates and Steve is one of them we should respect his decisions and give him full support. If any of us aren't featuring in the team then it is down to us try and prove to him that we are good enough to feature. If we feel that he is being unfair about something or we just don't agree with a decision he has made then chat on a 1 to 1 basis. Unfortunately, and Steve will second this, he's had to make changes that he necessarily didn't want to make and i believe, apart from errors aside, have cost us the game. As Jim mentioned earlier there is far too much bitching in the club and it is showing on the pitch as our results have been shite. We played really well and didn't deserve to loose against Blue Flag. All we need is confidence as our moral is low at the moment and once we pick up a good win against a decent side then the ball will start rolling and we can push up the league. What do you guys think about how we played? I personally think the 4-5-1 formation worked as Chris benefitted from this and was our most creative player. We should have been at least 3-0 up at half time. I've heard that Macho Man Randy Savage was gay! Well is gay! Good post, and well said. The problems Steve has seem to be worse than the ones I had last year, there has always been bitching, but this year we seem to have outdone ourselves! It seems to me (and I'm on the outside looking in, altho this is a shared opinion with at least 5 squad members) that it's the same players letting us down every week. The same players arriving late every week, the same players bitching every week. We are a team, and need to start acting like one. I know I'm getting pissed off with things, and I'm not even there!! Moving forward... a couple of things could happen... * The bitching stops, everyone gets a fair crack at first team action (except Adam...) and we hit the heady heights of 2nd again this season. * The bitching continues, Bill gets pissed off and decides not to carry on as manager and I fold the team due to there being no one else capable of running the side. That's your choices, it's up to you. There is no 3rd choice. There is no one else that will take over as manager, there is no one that will "look after it for a few weeks". If you drive Bill out of the managers job the club goes, simple as that. Anyone who doesn't like it knows where the door is, don't let it hit you on the ass on your way out. |
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Post by monkeylegs on Nov 15, 2004 12:30:00 GMT -5
I just think that as a team we haven't gelled yet. Due to people not being able to garauntee turning up week in, week out, it means that we have no fluency and are not settled as a unit. I do not believe chopping and changing a line up would benefit any team. Marshall and Oxer are our best defenders and that was the first time they played together this season. If they can play week in week out an understanding will develop and we will have a strong defence. Last season we played pretty much the same players every week and we rose up the table because everyone was enjoying the football and there was a connection between the players. This hasn't materialised yet . The signs are good though because against Blue Flag we were the better team. The one-two's and triangles are beginning to happen so hopefully next week the ball will hit the back of the net rather then ending up in a small wolf's den in the south of Wales. We also need a settled right back. Someone needs to make that position there own and it's up for grabs. It's not ideal if you are say a midfielder but if we can get consistency at the back we will shore up the defence. Steve, just a quick question? You are our established left back but do you think the team would benfit more from having a manger on the touchline shouting orders and being able to see the game in a different light?
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Post by Hilds on Nov 15, 2004 13:00:46 GMT -5
Rich and Marsh are potentially our best centre back pairing, and when on form will snuff out most strikers (maybe even stop me scoring...) the problem is getting them both down on time. Underfortunatly both work shifts, and Sunday are a regular part of their working week. They both go out for a few beer, like the rest of us, again this is not a problem. The problem is they are also both poor when it comes to timekeeping on a Sunday morning. How can Bill possible hope to work out his line up, sort tactics and get his message across to the team when he spends most of the morning chasing players?
Perhaps dropping the unreliable players and going with the onces who have "earned" a place might buck the unreliables up a bit and get them down on time. I'm not surgesting playing Adam, but we have other options in the squad and it's obvious several players think they are untouchable in the starting line up and are abusing that.
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Post by management1 on Nov 15, 2004 16:25:42 GMT -5
Good points made by all. Firstly as long as everyone knows that team selection tatics etc are not personal , which i think they all do now, then i can concentrate on doing my job. Second i would agree that changing the formation and some of the substitutions to try and keep people happy has contributed to our loses. This will not happen again. Third without the bitching from thesidelines in one ear, the long faces of people on the side and players throwing their teddies around i can play my game at left back and still watch the game. (unless people think i'm not the best person for left back in which case please let me know as i will not select myself if popular opion is i'm a tosser or their is someone better) Right back - Taff will be back soon and should be a strong contender to make that his position, failing that i am informed Marshall is a right back. If so ian. rich in the middle could afford us the chance to try that out. And lastly i've already apologised down the pub for quitting during the game if you missed it "i'm sorry" A certain person who shall remain nameless ( EDIT BY DARRYL- No names please) acted like a spoilt brat being told he couldn't have a chocolate bar but i should not have responded like a spoilt brat with a choccie bar! Lets talk as much on the pitch and start bloody winning! still the Management1  |
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Post by Hilds on Nov 15, 2004 16:38:42 GMT -5
I'm sure if everyone feels they will get a chance in the first team from time to time the attitude of the subs will improve ten fold.
As for changing formations and making substitution to keep people happy, TBH, that's what I expect. We are a club that was formed so people can play football. A happy medium is what is needed.
As for quitting, it's not a problem. I've done that more times than I can remember!! Lets hope the team now get behind you and O'Neills starts to win games and move up the league.
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Post by Darryl,please marry me....Taff on Nov 15, 2004 16:46:27 GMT -5
Darryl,
all due respect and i know deep down its still your club but Bill now knows he has the backing of all the players and his mates. I think you should just let him get on with it as its something that i think he needs to do. I have personally spoke to the "late" players and have told them how much it means to me and the other people in the team and they have assured me it will improve.
As for results,we know what we are doing wrong so lets use this silly little episode as a stepping stone as we climb the league and start to brutally rape teams as we should be doing. We are the best team in this league.
I know it
You know it
Prediction..................PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Hilds on Nov 15, 2004 16:52:23 GMT -5
Darryl, all due respect and i know deep down its still your club but Bill now knows he has the backing of all the players and his mates. I think you should just let him get on with it as its something that i think he needs to do. I have personally spoke to the "late" players and have told them how much it means to me and the other people in the team and they have assured me it will improve. As for results,we know what we are doing wrong so lets use this silly little episode as a stepping stone as we climb the league and start to brutally rape teams as we should be doing. We are the best team in this league. I know it You know it Prediction..................PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope your right. The O'Neills side this year are much better as a whole this year. And to make it easier there doesn't seem to be a team of the caliber of Chelski Dynamoes or Rockingham this year, or even Southbank B. O'Neills, once the timekeeping improves, will be a force this year and will destroy teams. I don't understand your reference to it still being my club "deep down", sounds almost like I'm not welcome... |
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Post by Darryl,please marry me....Taff on Nov 16, 2004 8:47:44 GMT -5
not at all mate...jus that you are now playing for another team so matchday duties are no longer you responsibilty
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Post by Hilds on Nov 16, 2004 12:33:54 GMT -5
not at all mate...jus that you are now playing for another team so matchday duties are no longer you responsibilty As I pay the fines, and it will ultimatly be me paying the £200 fine for not fulfilling a match the day the unreliables all oversleep and the reliables have all left it still is my responsibility. I'll stay involved as much as I am, if not more so, until the team matures to the stage I am no longer needed. That day, when I don't need to do anything, could be a long time coming. Some stats... Last season and this season, up until I left, the only fines we got were for bookings, and one £10 fine for sending in the match card late. So 18 months and we got less than £30 worth of fines. Since I left 4 games ago we have a £25 fine for causing a late kick off and have 3 bookings. We got a £20 for filling in the match card incorrectly. So a total of over £70. In 4 weeks. Now I'm not pointing fingers, so please don't think that, I got plenty of fines when I first started. The problem is these fines need to be paid, and the way the team currently is I can see plenty more £25 late kick off fines coming our way, and after the 3rd time the fine is doubled! That is one of the reasons I'm a bit pissed off about timekeeping. It's also one of the reasons I have stayed involved and continually post and talk about the need to drop the players that are causing these fines. |
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Post by sheepshagger on Nov 16, 2004 14:10:42 GMT -5
I know that im new to all this internet stuff but it always seems to be the same people posting. I have no idea what a majority of the team thinks. Thats not because i dont listen, but because opinions arent sought as much as they might be. Except on here. I just wish taht all members of the squad had easy access. I dont so its only thanks to a loving girlfriend that i get these opportunities. what would others say if nothing had tyo be said face to face, so that there would be no opportunity for shouting,ganging uop,sharp criticism. But ofcoursde there can be no praise or pats on the back this way. Pros and cons i suppose.
All i want is to play football on a sunday. Im back this sunday and will hopefully stay fit for the season. With luck i may be able to solve that right back spot that keeps cropping up. It does worry me thugh that someone else will missout and be on the bench becauseof my inclusion. Being stuck on the sidelines for so long has taught me to begrateful for every opportunity ill get. Hopefully as a team we can all feel this way, which should get ridof muchof the arguements. Especially as somanyare borne outof frustration, rather than genuine anger.
Darryl' dont fold the club. Im sure we'll play nice from now on. Honest. Some of us do realisehow muchyou do. I for one would not be willing to call around thevarious grounds in the area to find a pitch, or remember to call the opposisition to get detals by whenever o clockon wednesday. Allim trying to say is that all of the problems are becausewe wnt to win and win with our mates. We want to keep doing this and then rubbing our promotion and your bottom of the league statusin your face! how else can weprove thatbill isa better manager thanyo! Ha Ha!
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Post by management1 on Nov 16, 2004 15:22:52 GMT -5
Sorry about the match card it was my first one and i didn't know it was wrong or incurred a fine till i just read it on here.  The match card and late kick off can be paid out of the money i am accumulating from claybrooks sponsorship so you (daryl) will not be out of pocket. we are currently £74 in credit with £46 to come and another £148 available. The bookings were a one off , alright three off, as the referee had a bad day and took it out on both teams. They had four booked.  The players themselves will be responsible for paying these fines. ;D dave yrou tpinyg sklls ar shite! management1 |
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Post by Hilds on Nov 16, 2004 15:49:15 GMT -5
Sorry about the match card it was my first one and i didn't know it was wrong or incurred a fine till i just read it on here. The match card and late kick off can be paid out of the money i am accumulating from claybrooks sponsorship so you (daryl) will not be out of pocket. we are currently £74 in credit with £46 to come and another £148 available. The bookings were a one off , alright three off, as the referee had a bad day and took it out on both teams. They had four booked. The players themselves will be responsible for paying these fines. ;D dave yrou tpinyg sklls ar shite! management1 Wasn't blaming you for the fines, just addressing a point Jim made about me not being responsible on match days. People need to realise I am ultimatly responsible for everything. And Taffs typing skills are very poor! Fine him!! |
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Post by sheepshagger on Nov 16, 2004 17:32:41 GMT -5
I have a fat arse so both of you can kiss it. If i could type i wouldnt be working for superdrug would i?
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Post by Darryl,please marry me....Taff on Nov 23, 2004 13:46:52 GMT -5
darryl
meant stuff like picking the team. I know all the other stuff is down to you. May look stupid and act it but remember.........i am by far your superior and shall always reign supreme!!!!!
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